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Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:18:00 - [1] Originally by: Dianabolic You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge? And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game? Do you lot REALLY think that the "top" people, Hillmar and Oveur etc, are party to all of this? Of course they're not, this is their cash cow. Get over yourselves. Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT? (not directed at you, nyphur, jsut the general idiocy that is prevalent in this thread). So basically you do have a special line straight to the devs and presumably get special favors because of that? Thanks for confirming.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 02:14:00 - [2] Originally by: Dianabolic tbf guys, if you're all so offended by the fact that we've built up a relationship with the makers of this game over FOUR YEARS of playing it, perhaps you should start acting your age and, instead of looking to sacrifice them for your own gains at every opportunity, engage with them to make this game what we all want it to be? I think the point is that people are "offended" by the fact that you use a relationship with the devs to obtain special favors rather than playing the game on an even playing field.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 02:30:00 - [3] Originally by: Shivalla This is a fricking capitalistic venture, where CCP needs you all to pay for your monthly fee... WHO WOULD WANT TO RISK THAT. You cant all be so simple minded, that you just accept the fact that since goons go out from their EVE-O blackout that it would be the truth. Heres the problem there... so far the people crying "dev misconduct" and such have proven to be correct more than CCP crying "nothing to see here" have in these matters.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 02:39:00 - [4] Originally by: Dianabolic Xalorn, I've said twice now, if someone got fired, without due dilligence and investigation, purely due to a conversation initiated by "their mate" (regardless of what alliance they represent) then something IS wrong. No one is arguing that. Somehow this thread has, as many threads are nowadays, been turned towards "omg bob cheat ALL the time", whereas that is NOT the case (according to CCP... which, we know, many people do not accept, but whatever, they are the ultimate power to make that decision in this world). More generally it should be said that, if ANYTHING GAME RELATED got done specifically due to the relationship between bob and the devs that wouldn't have been done otherwise (e.g. priority in petetion related matters, tips being given, etc) then something is wrong.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:38:00 - [5] Sigh... guess its time to bring back my signature which mysteriously disappeared awhile ago... -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Gee Lok I believe this whole affair can be explained by psychology. In particular, something called Attribution Theory. Likewise your post could be explained by Confirmation Bias. Here is a quote from the Wikipedia article: Quote: In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias is a tendency to search for or interpret new information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions and avoid information and interpretations which contradict prior beliefs. It is a type of cognitive bias and represents an error of inductive inference, or as a form of selection bias toward confirmation of the hypothesis under study or disconfirmation of an alternative hypothesis. Of course thats all conjecture on both of our parts... -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Shadow Steel Simple solution: Attack BoB While it might accomplish something... the real problem is on the other end of MSN. So long as CCP employees are willing to play favoritism the issue will remain, be it with BoB or a different group. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Ccp had to take downtheir forums because of you goonies, I think that speaks for itself. To be fair it could be argued that if the initial thread wasn't locked right away and if CCP had taken the charges seriously to begin with the spamming operation may not have been necessary. Sadly that seemed to be what was required to get CCP to take the issue seriously. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Razor Jaxx Why is it that some people cannot accept to play the game within its well-defined framework? I'd love to, but unfortunately different players seem to be playing within completely different "well-defined framework[s]" which is rather annoying in a PvP game. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:50:00 - [10] Originally by: TOGAKURE Daisuke And those people that call for firings, this is not US. You can't fire people on spot in any EU country unless they pretty much directly do criminal stuff. Even if their contract says otherwise, the contract doesn't override the Law of the Country. I was unaware that Iceland is part of the EU... -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 17:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Wylker And anyone that accepts kugut's biased crap is just delusional. Sadly he's been right more often than not. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 19:41:00 - [12] Originally by: D'Artagnan Originally by: Elmo Noguchi So anyone who posts here who disagrees with you is a goon? How do you know this? The sad thing about this is that the last sentence is right. BoB does seem to be better. Too bad that doesn't matter anymore and never will. The goons will never "sooner or later understand," because in their minds you guys are cheaters. The jury is still out, but it certainly seems more likely than not. ok as you have been around for under 24 hours i will ignore your pointless comments. Drop the Ad Hominems and you might be taken more seriously... -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 20:42:00 - [13] Originally by: D'Artagnan As i said earlier other alliances have the same connection, i used to have one when i was anti bob but none in my corp at the time knew about it. I beg you not to be as stupid as you are acting at the moment. And thats at least two. Anyone keeping track of all the people admitting to inappropriate connections with the devs? -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 20:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Sochin 1. The only reason EVE is as good as it is today is BECAUSE CCP plays the game. EVE is an extremely complicated game, and if the developers themselves were not rapid fans themselves we would end up with idiotic and bland stuff like Star Wars Galaxies. This is ESPECIALLY relevant in relation to alliance warfare. Why do you think the Alliance system was even implemented in game? Because developers played in the alliances and realized the necessity for ingame support of a phenomenon that they had never anticipated (massive player alliances vying for control of space, instead of individual corporations). Playing the game and providing special favors for your corpmates in the game are two completely different things. The first one is acceptable while the second clearly crosses the line. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 21:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Frug Originally by: Azerrad InExile Playing the game and providing special favors for your corpmates in the game are two completely different things. The first one is acceptable while the second clearly crosses the line. You really, really need to get over the t20 incident and get a life. Imho its a great sig that supports what CCP should be doing.. trying to enforce a level playing field for all, sadly they have shown very very little commitment to that goal. The fact that it was originally by t20 is fairly meaningless to me, but admittedly does add some comedic effect. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 21:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Sochin Fired, not banned. Once again, he specifically stated that his player character was NOT banned, he just had to start paying for it again. And consider the possibility that this was not the first time someone had complained about him. If CCP thought that he was being rude in local or embarrassing the company, they have every right to fire him, especially if he had any prior offenses. That is frankly alot easier to swallow then your scenario of a dev firing someone and risking his RL job just because his e-buddies told him to. The fact that the ISD guy lost his ISD accounts is trivial in the end. The issue is that people in BoB (and presumably other alliances) have and do not hessitate to use out of game communication channels to get the devs to do things for them while the vast majority of the player base properly files petetitions and waits. Its a question of blatant favoritism on the part of CCP employees that worries me, not an ISD account being deleted. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 21:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Calvin Firenze And that's all they are at this time. Charges. There is zero proof. If you go by the chat logs in that letter as proof, I pray to god you are never serve on any jury anywhere. Chat logs are easier to modify than a screenshot. I understand that BoB members have admitted to having a personal relationship with devs/GM's on MSN. This also proves nothing beyond the fact that people have engendered a relationship with other people that have created a game they enjoy. I'd say theres enough evidence for a prima facie case at this point. Granted thats a completely different standard than beyond a resonable doubt, but as it stands the evidence for is looking stronger than the evidence against. And for the record I've never stated that any of this has been proven (assuming that term is taken to mean beyond a resonable doubt), so please don't try to argue assuming that I have. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.27 01:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Mitch Manus And yet again, Where is the proof that this was "fixed through out of game means" ? Let me ask you this... what kind of "proof" would you accept? -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.27 01:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Mitch Manus Edited by: Mitch Manus on 27/05/2007 01:03:22 Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Mitch Manus And yet again, Where is the proof that this was "fixed through out of game means" ? Let me ask you this... what kind of "proof" would you accept? Actual proof, instead of Weak assumptions and Post Hoc thoughts that are being used so far. Care to be a little more specific? It seems the typical community reaction to chat logs is something along the lines of "those can be forged", same with screen shots, videos, game logs, etc. In light of that, what sort of proof can be given for ANYTHING that happens in game.. or out of game for that matter? -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.27 01:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Mitch Manus Ok then, an allegation. But it still doesn't stop the fact that your evidence is based on assumptions. No, the evidence is based on chat logs and bans as well as admissions by certain members. The conclusions may be based on assumptions about that evidence. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.27 03:03:00 - [21] Originally by: BMWM6 Cliff notes please ? Some people might have done some inappropriate stuff. People associated with those people flatly deny this. People that don't like those people are convinced it happens. I'd give you a link to the evidence so you can decide for yourself, but it sounds as if thats not allowed despite promises from the people investigating the other people who also might be involved as those people saying that they want everything as open and honest without censorship as possible. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."

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